Friday, November 18, 2005
Blogging pause
"When will Cornell retract?"
Emailer #1:
When do you foresee Cornell retracting their 100% certainty regarding the existence of IBWP's in Arkansas? And what scientist would use a 100% certainty claim in a professional statement!?Emailer #2:
More and more people are doubting this reported sighting of an Ivory-bill. Some people that I know were 100% convinced that this was the real thing (how could Cornell claim this if it wasn't true?) when it was first anounced now have serious doubts.Refugeforums poster "stumpy waters" (see previous blog post):
How many days, weeks, months without verification need to pass before they admit that there are no Ivory-bills in that area. It's a real dilemma for Cornell, The Nature Conservancy, etc.
So at the end of this winter, when there is still no proof, is everyone going to settle on the fact that this is a hoax, perhaps file a suit against these "scientists" and Cornell, and repay the taxpayers all the money we've wasted on this?
Look at all the people over there looking for the bird right now... and they still can't find one.
IBWO-related refugeforums post
In this November 15 post, "stumpy waters" has questions for a poster called "AGFC Keith", who is said to be a spokesman for the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission (please note--when I post other people's words on this blog, it doesn't necessarily imply that I agree with any or all of those words):
Keith - I sent the following email below to Mr. Henderson and he forwarded the email on to someone else who replied. I got a very cordial email with a lot of informaiton (including the hint that there was "proof" the public had not seen, which makes no sense to hide "proof of the existence" of a rather useless bird??), but the simple question I asked was not answered. I responded back, but the question still has not been answered.
Perhaps you could help.
******ORIGINAL EMAIL****
I do have one more question.
How long will the AGFC continue to support the woodpecker hoax (forgive my negativism), without someone actually providing proof positive that the bird exists?
(Most folks do not agree that the blurry video and the sound recordings are proof positive.)
******SECOND EMAIL*****
I really appreciate all this information.
I have seen and heard all the evidence. If there is something that has not been released to the public, why no do that right now and dispel all disbelief? As amazing as it may sound, many folks including other ornithologists believe there is not enough evidence to verify the birds’ existence.
Yes, two scientists who are now making a lot of money over this claim to have seen the bird. The great bird watchers they are though, they couldn’t get a photo. They could be honest and really think they saw the bird, they could have done it for the money, or they could have done it knowing that it would at least strongly curtail hunting if not have it closed in this area. Only time will reveal their motivation.
I don’t want to start an email war here. I asked a simple question that was not answered and that’s all I was looking for. There is a lot of money being poured into this to recover a bird no one can even find, to recover. Look at how many people are in those woods on a daily basis now looking for this bird, yet they cannot find him. How long will this be allowed to go on without someone bringing a photo to the table that relinquishes all doubt? Are we going to keep going for the next 100 years based only on what we have now? At what point will we say either there was no bird, or the one bird is now gone?
At some point there has to be a responsibility check placed on the money being spent. I just want to know what that timeframe is.
More spin
The two men endured the most difficult conditions one could imagine. They probed through a swamp infested with mosquitoes...And then came the moment of success.
Well, Gallagher/Harrison evidently did have to paddle around some obstacles, but they didn't see their bird until shortly after they crossed under Highway 17, where Gallagher says "the din from semis was almost unbearable". In "The Grail Bird", Gallagher's account of the trip mentions that it was chilly at night (it was late February, after all), and the word "mosquitoes" doesn't appear.
Thursday, November 17, 2005
Skepticism in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
Recently, I wrote about a 60 Minutes segment on the ivorybilled woodpecker.
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If that program showed the only solid evidence of the ivorybill’s existence, then that evidence is mighty thin. Connie Bruce of the Cornell Lab of Ornithology confirmed that I had indeed seen all there is to see, so far.
Look, nobody wants that bird to be in those bottoms more than I do. If the ivory-bill really lives in Arkansas, than it’s one of the greatest conservation stories of our lives. But if 60 Minutes showed the only proof there is, then excuse me for being at least skeptical. I’m not an expert birder by any definition, but when I saw the Luneau video, I thought the underside of the bird’s wings appeared to be those of a pileated woodpecker.
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During our conversation, I asked Connie Bruce if she truly believed in her heart that an ivorybill has been seen in Arkansas. She was initially evasive, and she tried to apply various contingencies to her answer. On the third attempt, I told her it was a yes-no question only. After a long, anxious pause, she said “yes,” and she sounded sincere.
I believe it, too.
How else can you explain all the time, money and effort that the Cornell Lab of Ornithology and the Nature Conservancy are committing to confirm the bird’s existence? Why else would the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission stake so much of its scientific credibility on the tenuous possibility of the bird’s existence? They wouldn’t if they weren’t at least 90 percent sure the ivory-bill is there.
Either that, or they’ve all been taken in by the scam of the century, which is equally hard to believe. Scientists are so maddeningly cautious that they are reluctant to say the sun came up yesterday unless they have years of empirical data to prove it. They wouldn’t touch this if they didn’t honestly believe it’s true.
We just need some solid, indisputable evidence to erase all doubt.
Email from Phil Tongier
Sorry that I'm sending you so many emails the past few days. However, besides the Sparling quotation, (that grew from a 3/4 pound Bluegill to a 8 pound Largemouth Bass), your point on the roost hole also keeps coming back to mind. Again, correct me if I am wrong, wouldn't there have been a rather noisy, active, hard to miss roost hole for this king of woodpeckers if it still lived? Seriously. People in 1935 were not incredibly more savvy with woodscraft than folks today. We now face the waning months of 2005. From early 2004 to now we have NO evidence for an active roost hole. In 1935 they basically trotted into the woods, found IBWP's, set up camp, and filmed away. They did take time out to band a juvenile and photograph this incredibly wary woodpecker on the cap of an expedition member.Phil Tongier is an amateur naturalist living in Salina, Kansas; his professional background is in psychology and law. A previous email from Phil is here.
I admit that when I originally heard all the news about the rediscovery I was literally astonished and couldn't wait to see COLOR photos of the woodpecker that I had only seen in aging black and white film clips from the Kellogg, Tanner, et al. expedition as a teen so many years ago.
The evidence and the pseudo-science that followed appalled me. Your remarks on mediocre bits of evidence not being sufficient to take the place of one solid fact were very well made. Here I was expecting a National Geographic type expose' and I received evidence that wouldn't fly in Kansas. I have better proof that flying saucers visited McMinnville Oregon in the '50's than I do for IBWP's making it into the 21st Century.
To give credit where credit is due I predict that you will be the fellow that perservered in the face of BS from Cornell and some folks in Arkansas (who were instrumental in creating a tent revival movement that hasn't a shred of tangible evidence to back it up). I am pleased to say that I have communicated with a solid scientist who obviously wants IBWP's to be alive like any other naturalist. I expect that we would both be much more reserved regarding the matter if this information on a rediscovery were coming from near the Gulf of Mexico or off the Mississippi River.
You are doing a hell of a thankless job that is crucial to the heart of natural science. Mr. Hendershot seems to have his head screwed on straight too.
With appreciative respect for your efforts,
Phil
Questionable quotes from Tim Barksdale
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I am 100% convinced that David Kullivan had a pair of Ivory-billed Woodpeckers in the Pearl River in 2000.
One hundred percent?! To review, Kullivan said he saw two Ivory-bills on April Fool's Day, 1999. Massive follow-up searches turned up nothing. Being 100% convinced at this point seems wildly optimistic.
[In Arkansas] we found several cavities that clearly were made by Ivory-bills although these showed no signs of recent use.
Clearly?!
But - I doubt that if a bird is trap-lining a large feeding territory in Missouri, Kentucky, and Tennessee that it is the same bird that is using the areas in Arkansas.
It just doesn't seem reasonable to postulate a single Ivory-bill with a regular feeding territory hundreds of square miles in size, spread over 3-4 states.
Our bird in Arkansas, fledged from somewhere within the past 15 years. So there were 3 Ivorybills at the time of fledging. Could the source pair have been in the Pearl River? Yes. Could the source pair have been in a remote remnant forest swamp in northern Florida? Yes.
I agree that it is theoretically possible that an Ivory-bill was born in Florida and then inexplicably flew hundreds of miles to settle in marginal habitat in Arkansas. I just don't think that it's likely enough to seriously consider.
Let things in Brinkley settle down a bit. Then plan on visiting either Cache River NWR or White River NWR. We had indications but never confirmation of more than one bird in this vast area of over 300,000 acres. Unfortunately, only sections of this area are undisturbed and there are no virgin tracts. Few key areas still remain to be searched. But we have only used transects in 8% of this huge area.
On this point, Barksdale confirms my point #1 thinking here.
Sibley's "The Grail Bird" review
Check out this review of "The Grail Bird" by David Sibley, dated June 26, 2005. Here's a snippet (the bold font is mine):
One of the consequences of Gallagher's telling of the human side of the story is to remind us how tenuous eyewitness accounts can be. The searchers, including Gallagher and Harrison, were so wrapped up in anticipation and emotion that it must have been very difficult for them to judge the sightings objectively. And many of the sightings were such brief and unsatisfying glimpses that I was left with more questions. Why is this bird so difficult to see? Where else does it go? The ivory-billed woodpecker remains ghostly and mysterious.
My only serious complaint about the book is its repeated jabs at the scientific community. Gallagher accuses ''them" (unnamed ornithologists) of bias, of not mounting effective searches for ivory-billeds, and of practicing what he calls ''the opposite of what true science should be." But true science, objective and unbiased, has to be based on concrete, testable evidence. Since 1944 there has been no conclusive evidence to go along with the sightings.
Some scientists took on the challenge. Reports were analyzed thoughtfully, legitimate debate took place, and in some cases extensive follow-up searches were mounted. Gallagher repeatedly minimizes these efforts and implies that scientists were anxious to declare the bird extinct. This is absolutely unfounded.
Gallagher's bias is clear. He is a self-described ''believer," and his emotional approach, powered more by faith than evidence, is the essential counterpart to science. I suppose it makes a better story when he can cast someone as the bad guy, but it is unfortunate that he has chosen ornithologists for that role. He can be triumphant in his success, but he has no grounds to attack the scientists for their scientific methods.