Saturday, March 18, 2006

NY Times video on the Ivory-bill debate

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6 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am ashamed, ashamed of our press at the paper of record.

Gorman, if you are reading this, get a spine man. This isn't a "controversy" in the sense the both sides have equal claim to the "truth" ... Fitz et al are wrong on 33.3 - and now they have to "turn the boat into the attack". Only a vigilant press can ask the tough questions.

This story is about how power corrupts science. The story has been laid out here on this blog by Tom Nelson, who being out of reach of the politics of all this has been saying what has taken Sibley et. al a long time to get the cojones to print ... and Science, complicit by failure to due dilligence, has decided to run this as "controversy" and not an example of reverse peer review and being bamboozeled by believers.

Instead of sitting there with some stuffed birds in the comfortable office of the bird geek at Natural HIstory, WHIMPING out on the story. Run the story!! Use a little freakonomics analysis on the thing. All of the "defenders" of the Fitz et al. paper are "fitz" et al.

Heck you even have one of the peer reviewers of the original article on record saying that he things the video isn't "conclusive" ... question, did he review the video before SCIENCE rushed it off to publication a year ago ... nope.

Fitz is wrong on 33.3 but his reputation at this point DEPENDS on telling you that 33.3 is a perched bird ...

James Gorman - you can either run the story of how powerful people bulldozed a video of bigfoot into the literature and commandered the scientific process or you you can do what you are doing now ... letting us and the truth down.

Anonymous said...

The only way they will be able to save faceis to either find the Woodpecker, which is very unlikely, or is to get as many big name people involved as they can. Maybe they think if enough big name people's name get into the mix the the heat will be scared off of them. One has to wonder just what has been promised in return for these people to get involved at this point?


Could it be a cut of the pie? As it stands now a share of the money they are deriving from this is all they 100% for sure have to share.

Anonymous said...

"Tom Nelson, who being out of reach of the politics of all this has been saying what has taken Sibley et. al a long time to get the cojones to print ..."

It takes A SERIOUSLY LONG time to go from an article to an article in print in a major journal. Sometimes as long as 12 months. In the meantime you are not supposed to talk about the upcoming article. So before you got accusing Sibley of being sans cojones, consider that it may not have been his fault for the delay.

Anonymous said...

We've been over this ... and it is key to the whole story ... yes it takes a long time to get a PEER REVIEWED article into the literature.

BUT when Fitz sent the "cryptic email" to Kennedy last april, he was headlined within three weeks by the Journal who "rushed" it through the peer review process.

You don't have to be David Sibley to see that 33.3 isn't a perched bird.

Gorman is running this story like the only people he can talk to are Fitz et al and Sibley ... we know what they think - Donald Kennedy called this the biggest bird story in HISTORY ... and James Gorman who calls this a "Talmudic" tale can only get himself to interview a guy with two stuffed peckers??

Gorman is running this like it is just a big kerflufffle between some dodgy old birders when in reality this is a story about how a powerful interest group comandered the scientific process itself -

Run the story James ... don't show us more still life with woodpecker.

Anonymous said...

Gorman keeps refering to this as the "zapruder" film.

In a way the analogy works to the favor of fitz et al.

No one doubts what the Zapruder film is OF: a limo carrying JFK in Deely Plaza at the time he is shot. That much is OBVIOUS to anyone. What the debate is about is where the bullet(s) come from.

Now to make the analogy work with the laneau film ... Zapruder would have have to arrived in Deely plaza last year (decades after JFK was last seen and long presumed dead) THEN taken a film of a different guy, with a different car that was about the same height as JFK and then he would have had to have called the JFK presidential library and gotten the director there to arrange with the Secret Service and the US department of health to put a team in Deely plaza for a year, secure grants for the revival of JFK and contract with an auto restoration company to spif up his motorcade ... THEN he would have had it announced by speaker of the house that JFK's was seen in Deely plaza as evidenced in this film.

If this were the case the Zapruder film analogy would hold up quite nicely.

Anonymous said...

"You don't have to be David Sibley to see that 33.3 isn't a perched bird."

But it helps!

The bird is perched!

Now hold your hand over your right eye and read the top line on the chart :)