It's a good one--I recommend that you carefully read the whole thing.
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The carpintrerio can think of an experience that should be even "more humbling" than spending time in the Ghillie Swamp under an NDA ...
A more humbling experience is having David Sibley turn your "peer reviewed" proof into a pileated woodpecker in one act and seven pencil sketches, and then having Jack Hitt make the argument that this whole adventure can be traced to a woman in a in yurt talking to a clairvoyant on a cell phone.
A humbling experience is having to now justify spending money to remotely survey the habitat of the Ivory Bill woodpecker in terms that do not require an Ivory Bill Woodpecker to have ever been "found".
A humbling experience is having your leader "Fitzcrow" swoop every press op early on, in both camo and sportcoat, only to have him refuse to even take the calls as the "oops my bad" comes out.
Ken, has Rorbaugh even refused to take the calls? Is it just you and Gallagher left to explain this?
I especially liked the quote by Elphick. Instead of repeating the weaker assertion that the video doesn't rule out the possibility of pileated, he said that the video is of a pileated, and that David Sibley is absolutely convinced of that fact as well. Nice to finally hear what we all knew they were thinking.
Also interesting that Rosenberg's quote to end the article could have been taken verbatim off of Birdforum. Am I the only one who frantasizes that most of the TBs on Birdforum are actually some of the principals at Cornell? (no offense meant to our own TB, of course)
Is Cornell really a "post Enlightenment institution" or does it really feel that the skeptics should be "humbled" ... or is Rosenberg just speaking for himself?
In an older day he might not have suggested we spend time in the Swamp, he might have had more direct ways of humbling us before all that is good and all that is true.
Fitzcrow again dodges the press while Rosenberg now takes on the robes of "Head Inquisitor" to suggests that "the skeptics" ... find humility.
"We're certain there was a bird flying around in that area in 2004," Rosenberg said. "Whether the bird is still around - we're still not ready to say no on that."
"Still around"? I see they're already pulling back to the "Single Bird Theory", an apt name since Ken CLO themselves have compared the Luneau Video to the Zapruder Film.
Fishcrow is AWESOME over on BirdForum. How about this gem (emphasis mine):
The birds were there during the Zeiss search. They were seen by at least two observers in 2002. One of them is a field biologist who works at Stennis. The Zeiss search failed because they used an approach that is now known to be ineffective. The ideal approach is for a solo searcher to spend weeks or months in the field, cover lots of ground, keep a low profile, and move quitely.
A follow-up about the possibility of observor error in the sighting reports brought this reply:
It would take worse than a complete idiot to mistake a pileated for an ivorybill even once, let alone six times.
I see that Thibodeaux & Boudreaux are now getting credit for the video- Luneau must be rolling in his canoe.
To Rosencrow, I say: We skeptics would have loved to have spent a couple of weeks in the swamp (especially back in '04-'05 before the IBWO went AWOL) IF ONLY WE HAD BEEN INVITED. But noooooo, it was all a big secret and we skeptics were purposely not let in on it. When you say "a couple of weeks in the swamp," do you actually mean two solid weeks without a break, or would we get to visit the Taco Bell each night?
"Gallagher said 'I'm actually a very conservative birder'"..??!!!??
After reading what he says in the Grail Bird, I can only chuckle as I read the above quote. Tim, if you were "actually very conservative" you would never have even gone to Fitz until you had documentation yourself. That's quite simply the definition of "conservative birder"!
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The carpintrerio can think of an experience that should be even "more humbling" than spending time in the Ghillie Swamp under an NDA ...
A more humbling experience is having David Sibley turn your "peer reviewed" proof into a pileated woodpecker in one act and seven pencil sketches, and then having Jack Hitt make the argument that this whole adventure can be traced to a woman in a in yurt talking to a clairvoyant on a cell phone.
A humbling experience is having to now justify spending money to remotely survey the habitat of the Ivory Bill woodpecker in terms that do not require an Ivory Bill Woodpecker to have ever been "found".
A humbling experience is having your leader "Fitzcrow" swoop every press op early on, in both camo and sportcoat, only to have him refuse to even take the calls as the "oops my bad" comes out.
Ken, has Rorbaugh even refused to take the calls? Is it just you and Gallagher left to explain this?
yours,
The Carpinterio
Well put, Carpinterio.
I especially liked the quote by Elphick. Instead of repeating the weaker assertion that the video doesn't rule out the possibility of pileated, he said that the video is of a pileated, and that David Sibley is absolutely convinced of that fact as well. Nice to finally hear what we all knew they were thinking.
Also interesting that Rosenberg's quote to end the article could have been taken verbatim off of Birdforum. Am I the only one who frantasizes that most of the TBs on Birdforum are actually some of the principals at Cornell? (no offense meant to our own TB, of course)
Is Cornell really a "post Enlightenment institution" or does it really feel that the skeptics should be "humbled" ... or is Rosenberg just speaking for himself?
In an older day he might not have suggested we spend time in the Swamp, he might have had more direct ways of humbling us before all that is good and all that is true.
Fitzcrow again dodges the press while Rosenberg now takes on the robes of "Head Inquisitor" to suggests that "the skeptics" ... find humility.
"We're certain there was a bird flying around in that area in 2004," Rosenberg said. "Whether the bird is still around - we're still not ready to say no on that."
"Still around"? I see they're already pulling back to the "Single Bird Theory", an apt name since Ken CLO themselves have compared the Luneau Video to the Zapruder Film.
Fishcrow is AWESOME over on BirdForum. How about this gem (emphasis mine):
The birds were there during the Zeiss search. They were seen by at least two observers in 2002. One of them is a field biologist who works at Stennis. The Zeiss search failed because they used an approach that is now known to be ineffective. The ideal approach is for a solo searcher to spend weeks or months in the field, cover lots of ground, keep a low profile, and move quitely.
A follow-up about the possibility of observor error in the sighting reports brought this reply:
It would take worse than a complete idiot to mistake a pileated for an ivorybill even once, let alone six times.
I see that Thibodeaux & Boudreaux are now getting credit for the video- Luneau must be rolling in his canoe.
To Rosencrow, I say: We skeptics would have loved to have spent a couple of weeks in the swamp (especially back in '04-'05 before the IBWO went AWOL) IF ONLY WE HAD BEEN INVITED. But noooooo, it was all a big secret and we skeptics were purposely not let in on it. When you say "a couple of weeks in the swamp," do you actually mean two solid weeks without a break, or would we get to visit the Taco Bell each night?
"Gallagher said 'I'm actually a very conservative birder'"..??!!!??
After reading what he says in the Grail Bird, I can only chuckle as I read the above quote. Tim, if you were "actually very conservative" you would never have even gone to Fitz until you had documentation yourself. That's quite simply the definition of "conservative birder"!
What a $#(/ing moron.
From the Naked-faced Barbet
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