OT Does anyone know why the Auburn sorority girls place cartoon images over the faces of some of their members on the above link?
Ok, for her benefit the gasping noises should stop, but the last question she asks Hill is something to the effect of "why don't you have any evidence".
Now, lets give her some credit - that is a skeptical question.
Now she didn't get a follow up so we'll never know, if she was just acting like a skeptic because this is a for credit journalism class ... but personally I have faith in Hollon. Hill didn't answer her question - he just said that they DO have EVIDENCE - he even said they have a picture, it just isn't a CLEAR picture.
Hollon ... could you get Hill on the phone and ask him that last question again??
Well there is a certian "batshit crazy" southern sorority girl element to this, but isn't there also a "batshit crazy southern ornithologist" thing going on here too?
Is there any way to explain how he responds to her question at the 00.03:00 point other than he is crazy?
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Hollon: With the recent effort looking for it, would you please explain why there is not more concrete evidence to support its return from extinction?
Dr. Hill: (Pause) Well we have good evidence. We're missing THE photograph, er, A clear photograph. We even have photographs. We have digital images, well video images, they are just indistinct, you can't be certian. It's consistant with ivory bill, but someone could say no, it's another species. So, we don't have clear images yet.
.... end transcript.
Is Hill being intentionally misleading to the impressionable Hollon McKay?
I think so.
He says "someone could say its another species". Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "prominent bird experts say its another species???"
Meanwhile this unassuming little interview with a sorority girl is a 4 minute proxy for all the media coverage to date. So I give Hollon a pass, she spent a few hours studying a topic that she knew nothing about and asked a good question - she actually did just as well as any reporter to date. you go girl!! Side note, Hollon, you really should avoid gasping so audibly.
Wouldn't it be great if we had some kind of similar "scarlet letter" to brand ornithology professors who claim that they have "evidence" that they don't have?
What do you have to do as a member of Alpha Gamma Delta to have your face obscured by a squirel??
I think that the Cornell ought to do something like this with their website, to commemorate the day that their ivory bill got "hit on i-40 by a truck ... "
No you don't. Outside of the sightings (which are notoriously problematic in general and most of which are awful in your specific case), you've shown nothing that can be matched to any baseline data. Calls? Nope. Hole size? Sorry, but one of your searchers just saw a Pileated crawl out of one of those big holes. Bark adhesion? That's just pure conjecture, with a dash of fantasy.
We even have photographs.
What? What would you say about those? "We have photographs. There's nothing identifiable in them, but trust me, they're Ivory-billeds." Are you joking?
I think this guy is lost in the fog. He wants it so badly now (like Fitzpatrick, Collins, and others) that any straw that could remotely be interpreted as Ivory-billed evidence IS considered real Ivory-billed evidence. It's a sad day for ornithology.
It isn't a sad day for ornithology. This isn't ornithology. It's a sad day for middle-aged bird cranks. And grad students who paid good money to study with ornithologists, and got sucked into this wacked-out bird wormhole.
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Oh ... my ....gawd.
Kind of reminds me of the girl in Indian Jones' class who writes subliminal messages on her eyelids.
I don't know what is worse, the questions, the answers or the strange gasping noises she makes.
It is clear that southern women have have never rebounded from having to prop up their men who returned defeated from the war.
I think we need to give "Hollon McKay" a little credit.
OT Does anyone know why the Auburn sorority girls place cartoon images over the faces of some of their members on the above link?
Ok, for her benefit the gasping noises should stop, but the last question she asks Hill is something to the effect of "why don't you have any evidence".
Now, lets give her some credit - that is a skeptical question.
Now she didn't get a follow up so we'll never know, if she was just acting like a skeptic because this is a for credit journalism class ... but personally I have faith in Hollon. Hill didn't answer her question - he just said that they DO have EVIDENCE - he even said they have a picture, it just isn't a CLEAR picture.
Hollon ... could you get Hill on the phone and ask him that last question again??
Well there is a certian "batshit crazy" southern sorority girl element to this, but isn't there also a "batshit crazy southern ornithologist" thing going on here too?
Is there any way to explain how he responds to her question at the 00.03:00 point other than he is crazy?
transcript
Hollon: With the recent effort looking for it, would you please explain why there is not more concrete evidence to support its return from extinction?
Dr. Hill: (Pause) Well we have good evidence.
We're missing THE photograph, er, A clear photograph.
We even have photographs. We have digital images, well video images, they are just indistinct, you can't be certian. It's consistant with ivory bill, but someone could say no, it's another species. So, we don't have clear images yet.
.... end transcript.
Is Hill being intentionally misleading to the impressionable Hollon McKay?
I think so.
He says "someone could say its another species". Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "prominent bird experts say its another species???"
Meanwhile this unassuming little interview with a sorority girl is a 4 minute proxy for all the media coverage to date. So I give Hollon a pass, she spent a few hours studying a topic that she knew nothing about and asked a good question - she actually did just as well as any reporter to date. you go girl!! Side note, Hollon, you really should avoid gasping so audibly.
As for what these cartoon squirels are "spread eagle on some of the Alpha Gamma Delta girl's faces". I suspect that they are members who have left the sorority or did something dishonorable. Like lie.
Wouldn't it be great if we had some kind of similar "scarlet letter" to brand ornithology professors who claim that they have "evidence" that they don't have?
Please, lets get to the bottom of this Auburn sorority girl squirel over the face thing?
What do you have to do as a member of Alpha Gamma Delta to have your face obscured by a squirel??
I think that the Cornell ought to do something like this with their website, to commemorate the day that their ivory bill got "hit on i-40 by a truck ... "
Well we have good evidence.
No you don't. Outside of the sightings (which are notoriously problematic in general and most of which are awful in your specific case), you've shown nothing that can be matched to any baseline data. Calls? Nope. Hole size? Sorry, but one of your searchers just saw a Pileated crawl out of one of those big holes. Bark adhesion? That's just pure conjecture, with a dash of fantasy.
We even have photographs.
What? What would you say about those? "We have photographs. There's nothing identifiable in them, but trust me, they're Ivory-billeds." Are you joking?
I think this guy is lost in the fog. He wants it so badly now (like Fitzpatrick, Collins, and others) that any straw that could remotely be interpreted as Ivory-billed evidence IS considered real Ivory-billed evidence. It's a sad day for ornithology.
It isn't a sad day for ornithology. This isn't ornithology. It's a sad day for middle-aged bird cranks. And grad students who paid good money to study with ornithologists, and got sucked into this wacked-out bird wormhole.
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