Friday, March 16, 2007

New letter to Science by Sibley et al.

A new letter to Science by Sibley et al. is now available here (not for free). Here's a paragraph dealing with the photomontage saga:
A photomontage (fig. 1B in the Response) that superficially matches video field 33.3 combines part of the foreshortened wing of an ivory-billed woodpecker specimen with an image of trees. About 60% of the black forewing (~13% of the wing length) was omitted, as if hidden behind a tree (see figure), contradicting earlier reconstructions (1). By this new reconstruction, with foreshortened wing and hidden “wrist,” the putative “wrist-to-tailtip” measurements in (1) would have underestimated the true distance; yet, those measurements matched “the upper range for ivorybilled woodpecker” (1). Extrapolation suggests that the true measurement would be too large for an ivory-billed woodpecker. This undermines the plausibility of various reconstructions of posture—“perched” (2) or “begins to take flight” (1)—and consequently the claim that field 33.3 shows white on the bird’s dorsal wing surface. We maintain that this white patch represents the underside of a spread wing.
Here's a paragraph from Fitz et al.'s response:
We presented a photomontage to illustrate that a lateral view of an opening wing of an ivory-billed woodpecker launching off a tree trunk can produce a black-and-white pattern similar to that in field 33.3 of the Luneau video. We did not intend the montage to be a precise match for wing angles and body position of the bird in the video, because (i) these parameters cannot be determined precisely from the video, and (ii) no photographs or mounts are available to illustrate an ivory-billed woodpecker wing as it is opened during launch. Even if field 33.3 does depict the underside of the bird’s wing as proposed by Sibley et al., the absence of a broad black border formed by dark primary and secondary feathers on the distal and posterior portions of the wing renders it inconsistent with pileated woodpecker.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

"IRREFUTABLE, adj. that cannot be refuted; incapable of being disproved."

"REFUTABLE, adj. that can be refuted"

"REFUTE, v.t. 1. to prove (a person) to be wrong; confute. 2. to prove (an argument or statement) to be false or wrong, by argument or evidence."

The Luneau video HAS been REFUTED by Sibley et al. Therefore, it is not "IRREFUTABLE." Therefore, it cannot continue as the foundation for the other AR IBWO evidence and it should not be used as the basis for management decisions by government agencies and conservation organizations.

Anonymous said...

"no photographs or mounts are available to illustrate an ivory-billed woodpecker wing as it is opened during launch"

Couldn't relevant photographs or mounts of ANY similar woodpecker such as Pale-billed have been used to determine the posture and motion of IBWO?

The implausibility of the montage was evident at a glance. This was a classic case of overinterpreting (fabricating) evidence, as was the branch stub bird, which they evidently still regard as "fully consistent with ivory-billed woodpecker" based on the following quote:

"We continue to regard all aspects of the Luneau video as fully consistent with ivory-billed woodpecker"

Including the branch stub bird? This statement is clearly disingenuous.

Anonymous said...

Hendershott, call Don Kennedy at Science and ask him why Fitzpatrick's original paper was handled by the book review editor?

the real story here has always been at 33.3 and Science magazine.

If it ain't an IBWO in 33.3 ... is is as they say at the discovery institute, "case closed"

It is time for someone to stop acting deferential to Fitzcrow ... the only way to do that is go after Kennedy and expose how power corrupted the process.

Otherwise collinson is going to walk the moors forever looking for that video that fitz says he has to show up with in order to make any headway.

Fitz had his chance to say "oops" and he blew it.

Anonymous said...

"We did not intend the montage to be a precise match for wing angles and body position of the bird in the video, because (i) these parameters cannot be determined precisely from the video"

If so, how were they able to come up with such precise length measurements?