About those solar panels

[From the comment section] "A distinguished professor from the local university (specialty semi conductor materials), asks question of German dude who just presented some info on his solar panel company. 'My calculations have always shown that the energy to manufacture a solar panel is greater than the expected total output from the finished panel up to their predicted mean time to fail. Has new technology changed this fact?' Answer from German dude. 'The Ontario government pays between 70 - 80 cents per KWhr for power from solar installations supplying the grid. The current rate for all power is 12 cents. This is what matters.'"

How about including the energy consumed in transporting the solar panels, and in transporting people (in fossil-fueled vehicles) to install, maintain, design, sell, and discuss the solar panels?

Blows upon a Bruise

This Sunday may prove to be one of the more important in the collapse of the Global Warming Grand Narrative, newspaper after newspaper striking blow upon blow as the already bruised science, economics and politics totter before a near-perfect storm. I thought it might thus be useful to place on record just a few of the main stories of the day

Sarah Palin: queen tea party | Richard Adams | World news | guardian.co.uk

The content still doesn't bear close examination – one moment she was calling for "carbon free energy" and the next demanding more off-shore drilling

[Feb '09]: New Antarctic station is [allegedly] carbon-free - Climate Change- msnbc.com

PRINCESS ELISABETH BASE, Antarctica - The world's first zero-emission polar research station opened in Antarctica and was welcomed by scientists as proof that alternative energy is viable even in the coldest regions.

PRINCESS ELISABETH BASE, Antarctica - Entering the Home Stretch - First zero emission station

* François regularly dons his FAS suit to check the anchoring points for the fuel platform on the ridge.
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This year has seen more snowfall and sea ice than any time since our expeditions began. Both the Mary Arctica (bound for Atka Bay) and the Shirase (en route to Syowa) had many difficulties with ice. Koen, back from the third cargo traverse, tells us that the sea ice in Crown Bay is still intact. Normally it should have begun to break up by now.

Al Fin: Fools Who Once Were Smart

Now that the religion of carbon hysteria is collapsing of its own fabrications and contradictions, how will these knowledgeless know-it-alls (on that topic at least) explain their complete and utter mistakenness? Will they apologise to all of those they have derided and accused of being in the pockets of the oil industry? Not likely. More likely they will try to find scapegoats to blame for misleading them, like Monbiot -- who is now demanding ClimateGate's Phil Jones' head on a platter.