I agree with Phil on the solar crowd - basically I think most of them act like nuts - they are so eager to justify their own discipline that they turn a blind eye to greenhouse arguments and seem to completely ignore basic ideas like the principal of parsimony. There are a few exceptions, Judith Lean and Klaus Frohlich - I don't know the others listed
It is virtually a waste of time talking to most of them..............
And I am someone who thinks longterm solar variability influences climate!
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