I agree with Matt except for one thing. If you were a Cornell ornithologist and you felt sure you saw the bird, I mean felt really sure, I think the idea that "we've got to move fast" would take precedence over cooler more dispassionate heads. Especially if you thought that lumbering or farming or irrigation projects might endanger what you are really sure you saw. And a few people have 99% certainty. They took a calculated risk. And the ball got rolling so fast down the hill they'd have to use dynamite to stop it. Now WE are out here, unconvinced. I've seen some swamp pictures of trees so thickly clustered the tree bark blocks all views past the first 6 feet. This is more compelling than the waryness remarks. The dumb things people say in interviews meant for consumption by the general non-birding public. I hate that stuff too. As far as fishcrow.com. He's either onto something that has faintly visible white-trailing edges, or he's got one cool photographic artifact depending on your computer's software. I'm not going to try to ban all looks at his website by disparaging those who have a look. The one pic he posted as being so definitive was very bad, but some of his other evidence has been reviewed, even by skeptics. It's not mad to be either a 90% believer or a 90% skeptic.
Well of course it could be a satire. It takes a lot of energy to take photos in the swamp everyday and ruminate so heavily and often on sightings. I tend to favor the simpler explanation for things over the "contorted evil plot theories." There has been some cross-corroboration that Mike is honestly out there stumbling around in rough terrain looking for IBWOs. Maybe I'll be the last one to find out it's a huge hoax perpetrated by a fringe right-wing hunting club seeking to discredit dang Northern Ivy League enviro-liberals. Stranger things have happened. ;-). I wouldn't say I'm a 90% believer. I'd only say there are a lot of people including woodpecker experts, who have claimed to have seen the bird. It's hard to dismiss every single visual sighting under the mantle of groupthink or bad science. Even though groupthink and bad science has definitely been demonstrated, it's not conclusive enough proof to sustain 100% scepticism. Only enough to widen the gulf and cause believers to also keep their hackles raised just in case it all turns out to be fantasy. But I work for a major corporation and Cornell's bungling is pretty small scale thusfar. Nothing has more force than religiosity, and that applies to all camps in this argument.
No, it's not "contorted evil plot theories". No one said that. I said it is a practical joke. All you have to do is look at the posted "IBWO" videos and photos of www.fishcrow.com. What else could you think after looking at this site?
I actually think it's pretty funny. I have to hand it to the fellow. He actually has serious people referencing his site.
Well I've read his posts, his heated defense of his reputation on other fora, and "know" that he is an individual who is a serious birder. Now all that could be made up. Even the name Mike Collins. There are some things that seem odd... like how he keeps getting close to the bird, and then the trail goes cold again. On the other hand, his difficult treatise on using the orange ball to get an estimate of the bird's size - why if he's suckered so many people in, would he draw out a charade? It's not like there isn't already a chorus of skepticism. It's not like the "gullibility" of believers isn't a fairly worked-over thing. Also his website on Pearl River searching was around in November, and there was only one mention of a large unidentified woodpecker on it. So this could indeed be highly premeditated, months in the planning. He planned to take a 2 month break, then keep a log for weeks until finally he constructs a big flapping Pileated into a something really long-winged with the help of photoshop and judicious use of the "blur" button. I'm able to resist such thoughts... maybe I'm too optimistic. I do give my real name afterall. As does Tom Nelson.
take that you who will be named and you who will be anonymous.
Behold, my name "Fitzpatrick" tremble ye bloggers and regard my words as "final" on birds But ye persit!! "I'm tired of this" can we "move on" The IBWO is now gone
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I agree with Matt except for one thing. If you were a Cornell ornithologist and you felt sure you saw the bird, I mean felt really sure, I think the idea that "we've got to move fast" would take precedence over cooler more dispassionate heads. Especially if you thought that lumbering or farming or irrigation projects might endanger what you
are really sure you saw. And a few people have 99% certainty.
They took a calculated risk.
And the ball got rolling so fast
down the hill they'd have to use
dynamite to stop it.
Now WE are out here, unconvinced.
I've seen some swamp pictures of
trees so thickly clustered the tree bark blocks all views past the first 6 feet. This is more
compelling than the waryness remarks.
The dumb things people say in interviews meant for consumption by the general non-birding public.
I hate that stuff too.
As far as fishcrow.com. He's either onto something that has faintly visible white-trailing edges, or he's got one cool photographic artifact depending on your computer's software.
I'm not going to try to ban all looks at his website by disparaging those who have a look.
The one pic he posted as being so definitive was very bad, but some of his other evidence has been reviewed, even by skeptics.
It's not mad to be either a 90% believer or a 90% skeptic.
Paul Sutera
No, no, no. www.fishcrow.com is satire! Isn't it? A joke on the true believers. It has to be! I mean look at it.
It's a giant practical joke by a great great prankster. It has to be. I can't even believe I'm having to tell you this!!
No, you are wrong. It is definitely mad to be a 90% believer at this stage.
Well of course it could be a satire. It takes a lot of energy to take photos in the swamp everyday and ruminate so heavily and often on sightings. I tend to favor the simpler explanation for things over the "contorted evil plot theories." There has been some cross-corroboration that Mike
is honestly out there stumbling around in rough terrain looking for IBWOs. Maybe I'll be the last one to find out it's a huge hoax
perpetrated by a fringe right-wing
hunting club seeking to discredit
dang Northern Ivy League enviro-liberals. Stranger things have happened. ;-).
I wouldn't say I'm a 90% believer. I'd only say there are a lot of people including woodpecker experts, who have claimed to have seen the bird.
It's hard to dismiss every single visual sighting under the mantle of groupthink or bad science.
Even though groupthink and bad science has definitely been demonstrated, it's not conclusive enough proof to sustain 100% scepticism. Only enough to widen
the gulf and cause believers to
also keep their hackles raised
just in case it all turns out to
be fantasy. But I work for a major corporation and Cornell's bungling is pretty small scale thusfar. Nothing has more force than religiosity, and that applies to all camps in this argument.
Paul Sutera
No, it's not "contorted evil plot theories". No one said that. I said it is a practical joke. All you have to do is look at the posted "IBWO" videos and photos of www.fishcrow.com. What else could you think after looking at this site?
I actually think it's pretty funny. I have to hand it to the fellow. He actually has serious people referencing his site.
Well I've read his posts, his heated defense of his reputation on other fora, and "know" that he is an individual who is a serious birder. Now all that could be made up. Even the name Mike Collins. There are some things that seem odd... like how he keeps getting close to the bird, and then the trail goes cold again.
On the other hand, his difficult treatise on using the orange ball
to get an estimate of the bird's size - why if he's suckered so many people in, would he draw out a charade? It's not like there isn't already a chorus of skepticism. It's not like the "gullibility" of believers isn't a fairly worked-over thing.
Also his website on Pearl River searching was around in November, and there was only one mention of a large unidentified woodpecker on it. So this could indeed be highly premeditated, months in the planning. He planned to take a 2 month break, then keep a log for weeks until finally he constructs a big flapping Pileated into a something really long-winged with the help of photoshop and judicious use of the "blur" button. I'm able to resist such thoughts... maybe I'm too optimistic. I do give my real name
afterall. As does Tom Nelson.
Paul Sutera, New Paltz, NY
Yes, but your name means less than nothing to me.
But I am serious about that www.fishcrow.com. A giant and effective practical joke if there ever was one.
Yo soy Carpinterio Real ...
take that you who will be named and you who will be anonymous.
Behold, my name
"Fitzpatrick"
tremble ye bloggers
and regard my words
as "final" on birds
But ye persit!!
"I'm tired of this"
can we "move on"
The IBWO is now gone
Si, yo soy Carpinterio Real ...
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