Wednesday, March 08, 2006

WorldTwitch turns up the heat

More from WorldTwitch:
Since the publication of Jerome Jackson's article in January, skepticism has been spreading down from the top. When the subject comes up at bird club meetings, the most respected birders are dismissing the Arkansas Ivorybill as a mistake or a hoax. When others see the leading birders in agreement, the conversation turns from how to see an Ivorybill to what can be done to set the record straight. The same thing will be happening at rare bird stakeouts and on pelagic trips. What must have seemed like a brilliant coup for the Cornell Lab is rapidly turning into a nightmare...
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The chances of encountering an Ivory-billed Woodpecker in the vicinity of the 2004 sightings would be minuscule even if it actually existed. Moreover, birders have always been much more skeptical of the Arkansas Ivorybill claim than Science magazine or the mainstream media. They know that dudes and stringers "see" Ivorybills regularly throughout the U.S., and that the media made similar claims about the obviously bogus "sightings" in the Pearl River area of Southeastern Louisiana. If some established expert birder were to report seeing an Ivory-billed Woodpecker, twitchers around the world would be checking airline schedules to Little Rock. But expert birders never see Ivory-billed Woodpeckers. [Non-birders reading this need to understand that birding expertise bears no relation to academic accomplishments, publications, or professional appointments. One doesn't become a great birder by taking classes, passing exams, or writing books and articles. Some of the world's finest birders never took a course in biology and certainly would not put up with the mind-numbing drudgery and anti-scientific political correctness prevalent in modern academia.]

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

So I guess Mike Collins with his 10+ years of world birding experience, including first-hand encounters with four other species of Campephilus woodpeckers, does not count as an experienced birder?

Anonymous said...

The important phrase in the WorldTwitch post would be "established expert birder". These are the people who could cause the birding world to rush to any location where they said they saw an IBWO. If Mike Collins were in that category (and if his images didn't require such extensive "interpretation") there would not be a growing number of skeptics.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe a single one of those WorldTwitch Certified "established expert birders" has even been looking for an IBWO... so it's unlkely they would find one.

Anonymous said...

"If some established expert birder were to report seeing an Ivory-billed Woodpecker, twitchers around the world would be checking airline schedules to Little Rock."

Man, that is the LAST thing we need to have happen, a twitcher invasion!

OK I just changed my mind. The bird is extinct. Are you listening, Europe? Extinct extinct EXTINCT!!! No need to come here. Nothing to see.

Anonymous said...

Mike Collins is an experienced birder, and I don't believe he's lying.

I do believe, however, that to some degree he is seeing what he wants to see.

To quote a poster from "Ivory-bills LiVE blog":

Sure, it would be relevant that he knows a Pileated when he sees one, but when he continues to make a statement such as "There is no way that a pileated would be so wary (constantly peeking from behind branches) in a tree so far back in the woods. Pileateds in the Pearl are very tame.", I have to question his interpretations. I've seen Pileateds that were very tame, but I've also seen Pileateds flush at the first sight of me. I'm sure there's variation in wariness even among birds at the Pearl. There is no way that there is no way that a Pileated would be that wary.

It is obvious to me from looking at the video, and reading his descriptions that he is seeing things that I cannot see, and drawing conclusions on bits of the evidence that are not based on good logic, or sound science. One can claim to be a good scientist, and his background suggests he is, but to scoff at the suggestion that good field notes are important is not good science.

He has also made a point about the way the bird leans back, like Ivory-bills were known to do. It is, however, common for Pileated Woodpeckers to do this:

http://www.mnwelldir.org/art/spring_04/images/pileated01_small.jpg

http://www.thoma.com/thoma/hikes95/birds/pileated.jpg

http://content.ornith.cornell.edu/UEWebApp/images/FKT_072202_00364B_S.jpg

I believe that Mike's time would be better spent putting up some remote cameras in likely spots, or spending more time in his "hot zone" or enlisting help from others who can document what is there. His video will not be accepted as "proof." The quality is far too poor.

How he chooses to spend his time is his own call, of course, as is our own interpretations of the evidence.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe a single one of those WorldTwitch Certified "established expert birders" has even been looking for an IBWO... so it's unlkely they would find one.


I don't know, don't Jackson and Sibley fit the bill pretty well? Remember, they both believed Cornell at first, and they've both looked for the Ivory-bill.

Back in the old days the likes of Roger Tory Peterson didn't have much trouble finding them.

Anonymous said...

Back in the old days the likes of Roger Tory Peterson didn't have much trouble finding them.

Though actually he may have had trouble finding them and Carolina Parakeets in South Carolina.

Anonymous said...

Mike Collins seems to be quite genuine in his beliefs about what he is seeing. However, "I saw a big woodpecker with a lot of white in its wings, and here's a really poor video that you can manipulate extensively until you can vaguely interpret it as not a Pileated Woodpecker" isn't going to convince anyone. Well, not unless you subscribe to the insanity currently being pedalled by certain contributors to the BirdForum website anyway!

Anonymous said...

Granted the quality of Mr. Collins' videos is poor but there is something there that I find really compelling. More so than the Cornell video.

The short sequence of the bird alighting on the adjacent tree is very interesting. The birds' wings are something that keeps drawing me back to look at it.

The other video of the bird hitching up the tree I can't get anything out of.

The vocalizations sound like it may be a Sora piping in the distance. The metallic quality is very haunting.

Cornell would be wise to send a small party there to help him out.
Nothing ventured nothing gained I always say.