Thursday, June 08, 2006

Direct link to Docmartin's Pileated/Luneau comparison

This has been discussed in the comment section, but in case you missed it--check out this Birdforum post by Docmartin, comparing some frames of a known Pileated with some Luneau video frames.

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Where o' where is US F&WS staff? Where is LSU? Folks, please. Get some sense. Even Birdforum is becoming dominated by Skeptics.

Time to rethink this whole effort. Maybe start with retracting the Science article? Maybe apologizing to Jackson?

Time to start saving your careers. I beg of you. We don't need any more of Bush's political replacements for your positions!! Help us here.

Anonymous said...

I think what should happen is for Jon Andrews, the US F&WS team leader, to invite in Jackson to get them back on track.

Not sure what that could mean. But certainly US F&WS staff have been built up to such big levels in Arkansas that it's sucking monies from other states.

But, at least, maybe Sibley or Jackson could get this effort back on a scientific track. Of course, that probably means removing Fitzcrow from the effort.

Anonymous said...

Do you realize we skeptic/atheist/anti-true believers are coo coo?

The subliminal message from the CLO gods is this:

Super Duper Skulkers are breeding in Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, maybe Georgia and South Carolina. There literally could be 1000s. We the skeptics just can't see them. Inter alia - we are crazy, BTW - I am already et al coo coo.

Anonymous said...

well it looks a lot to the ol carpinterio real like DocMatin just posted a picture of what sibley drew in his article.

Someone asked in a previous post why Fitzcrow has to act deferential to Sibley. There are several obvious reasons, not the least being that there will one day be a "Sibley" room at Cornell, not unlike the Fuertes Room, where valuable orignials of the mans art is reverentially hung - Fitzcrow knows this - artists have the power to live on for a long long time in the imagination and ornithology and art have a nexus that is hard to ignore - especially among the wealthy.

I have of course felt that frame 33.3 (the part where Fitz et. al. claim the bird is perched with wings folded) has always been the most demonstrably wrong part of this whole pile of "evidence".

maybe those feeder visiting piwos could pose for that re-enactment for us?

How many times to the media try to call Scott Simon or Fitzcrow before they give up and say "unable to be reached for comment?"

Anonymous said...

In the image comparisons where something can be made out on the Luneau stills, the evidence is surely compelling that the bird is a PIWO.

The BF believers seem to be conveniently ignoring docmartin's post and and commenting that "this was never about the video"........

BTW, cinclodes has crawled back out of the swamp and onto BF again. Still touting his much manipulated video/stills as definitive proof that the IBWO exists.

Anonymous said...

A few useful things to note in the in Nolin's video that is the source of these Pileated images: birdviewing.com/upload/NolinPileatedVideos.wmv or just go straight to birdviewing.com.

At low angles the black trailing edge is nearly invisible when viewed from behind due to the airfoil shape of the wing. No surprise.

Top wing at low angles, when viewed from behind, only shows if the bird is braking to land. No surprise.

Immediately after launch, PIWOs show faster wing beats and less noticeable dipping in flight than otherwise. Also no surprise.

It would be hard to ask for better illustrations.

p.d. Ann Arbor, MI

Anonymous said...

holy ell matey,

birds don't have a constant flap rate with a p value that can be deduced from a wax cylinder sound recording?

you are NOT a scientist.

The "Faster Flapping when Fleeing" aka FFF hypothesis, is not consistent with PIWO and is rejected for pintail and franklins gull as well (the two birds CLO uses to illustrate the way birds flap).

Is Fitzcrow flapping faster when he is fleeing, or is he frozen when fleeing (hard to tell, the press can't reach him).

Anonymous said...

Who said "faster when fleeing"?